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Does anyone have an intelligent legal argument that could be used in a pleading for injunction or are you limited to nonsense and more propaganda?



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Reply by: Chrissy
Date: 27-08-10
 
 


Perhaps if they research the FUNDING of the Mosque, a legal argument could be formed. As a 501(3)c organization there are proper channels and protocols that must be followed. The fact that this Imam was a waiter just prior to purchasing this building for a considerable amount of money leads one to wonder. WHERE did the funding come from? Not to mention, where is the additional $100Million the building require coming from. There are far too many questions left unanswered, which allows for speculation, conjecture and concern. The inflammatory remarks made by the Imam after 9/11 don't show any kind of compassion or understanding, so how are Americans to believe that this is done without malice or contempt? I understand that they have the legal RIGHT to build this mosque, the question truly is whether or not it is ethically and morally the appropriate thing to do. If it is truly an outreach and a bridge, why then will they not consider what the will of the people is? I am NOT an attorney, but I do understand what is right, and what is not. 





Reply by: john
Date: 27-08-10
 
 


Since you're claiming to be a lawyer, show your law practice, prove your credentials and put yourself out there like TM did.





The Mad Chalker I think the reason they thought you to be a man, and I use that word loosley, is that under sharia law you possibly could have been stoned for your comments. And by the way I still do not see that you have shown your credentials and the name of your law firm. Here is another video to watch and do some more research http://www.wootv.us/play.php?vid=819. If you need any more help in your understanding just let me know.



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Reply by: THEMADCHALKER
Date: 27-08-10
 
 


Propaganda worked well for the Third Reich. Its nice to know you are keeping the spirit of Josef Goebbels alive. However, if you have any legal arguments as to how the building of the Islamic Center can be prevented I would be interested in hearing them. As far as understanding goes, you strike me as the type that would become confused over a cereal box.





The Mad Chalker, don't hide behind a moniker, be "man" enough to stand behind what you state with your own name. Since you're claiming to be a lawyer, show your law practice, prove your credentials and put yourself out there like TM did. While we're at it, I think with your statment...

"Trade Martin and everyone involved in the making and promotion of this song and video should be indicted by a Federal Grand Jury, which I would personally love to see. Perhaps sitting in Leavenworth for a few years will teach them the meaning of the word FREEDOM."

...falls under the very idea that you are claiming against those involved with this song and video. You are, I feel, “INCITING OR ATTEMPTING TO CAUSE a conspiracy to violate rights". I feel you are attempting to threaten, intimidate and even terrorize by using your supposed legal background, folks who would otherwise share this song and video to express or voice, their thoughts.

As a lawyer, I would think you would have caught that this song doesn't incite violence nor does it demand the law to step on anyone else’s Constitutional rights. Are you interpreting the law as you deem to fit to your idealisms? I don't read it as you do, but I guess since I'm not a lawyer I'm too stupid and need someone far smarter and wiser than me to tell me what is in plain simple English.



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Reply by: john
Date: 26-08-10
 
 


stand behind what you state with your own name. Since you're claiming to be a lawyer, show your law practice, prove your credentials and put yourself out there like TM did



Reply by: THEMADCHALKER
Date: 26-08-10
 
 


What makes you think I am a man? It is unfortunate that you choose to remain ignorant to the laws of your own nation.



Reply by: john
Date: 26-08-10
 
 


The Mad Chalker, don't hide behind a moniker, be "man" enough to stand behind what you state with your own name. Since you're claiming to be a lawyer, show your law practice, prove your credentials and put yourself out there like TM did



Reply by: THEMADCHALKER
Date: 26-08-10
 
 


Your last sentence is the only intelligent one you posted. Since you managed to find this web page all by yourself, I will assume you at least have the capability of searching for Supreme Court precedent under Federal Statute 18. When you do, you will find that an actual act of violence or violation of rights need not be committed but merely the incitement, enticement or attempt at rallying people together to commit a violation of rights. Since there is no way to stop the building of the Islamic Center without violating these rights, a call for people to do so anyway using the specific words "We've Got To Stop" is a direct and blatant attempt to create a conspiracy amongst those who would listen. Perhaps a little continuing education would suit you.





Harold just what is that supposed to mean?
" simple music video " lol



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Reply by: Reese
Date: 26-08-10
 
 


*giggle



Reply by: Harold
Date: 26-08-10
 
 


Well, you have to do something so that idiots can understand. After all, not everyone has a "law degree". SHAKE THAT BEAR



Reply by: john
Date: 26-08-10
 
 


Shake That Bear





Unlike the Islamic Center, this song IS NOT protected by the First Amendment. On the contrary, Conspiracy to violate rights is a Federal Felony as is INCITING OR ATTEMPTING TO CAUSE a conspiracy to violate rights. (Federal Statute 18 USC 241)

(i.e. Organizing a cross burning is a conspiracy to violate rights. Writing a song telling people we should get together and burn crosses is inciting or attempting to cause a conspiracy.)

Trade Martin and everyone involved in the making and promotion of this song and video should be indicted by a Federal Grand Jury, which I would personally love to see. Perhaps sitting in Leavenworth for a few years will teach them the meaning of the word FREEDOM.

At least 59 Muslims died on 9/11 including children and pregnant mothers. The World Trade Center was attacked by Al Qua'ida. The Islamic Center is being built by Americans. Therefore, who is this "They" this song speaks of?



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Reply by: Mocker
Date: 26-08-10
 
 


MADCRACKHEAD Lawyer





Reply by: Harold
Date: 26-08-10
 
 


No one is disputing that they have the First Amendment right to build the mosque. The dispute is if they should and where the funding for it is coming from. I would figure someone with a "law degree", if you actually have one, would know this. If you do have one, prove it and post it. What I find funny is that if you somehow do have one, why waste your time on a simple music video? If you used your liberal "common sense", you'd be going after those who are actually at the site rallying. But you're wrong and thus can't afford to be wrong on a huge level such as that.




Reply by: THEMADCHALKER
Date: 26-08-10
 
 


Inciting or attempting to cause a conspiracy to violate rights is a Federal Felony. The incitement is stated in the title itself: "WE'VE GOT TO STOP THE MOSQUE..." Had the title been "There Shouldn't be a Mosque..." then perhaps there may be conjecture. My Law Degree came from USC. Where did you get yours?



Reply by: PatriotWatch
Date: 25-08-10
 
 


You can't possibly be serious? Where in the world do you see a violation of anyone's rights in this song? Gosh, I guess all those rap stars ought to watch out, or they will be sued for violating women's rights. Did your law degree come from a Cracker Jack Box?






This shows everything that is wrong with today's conservative movement in America. You've turned into religious fascists in the name of fighting religious fascism.



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Reply by: Reese
Date: 23-08-10
 
 


Please educate yourself about islam, it's not a religion, it's a political theosophy. This is not about religion.





Some facts: There is no Mosque being built at Ground Zero -- office towers, and the September 11th Memorial are being built at Ground Zero. The project referred to here is for a Muslim community center, being built at 51 Park place, which is 4 blocks from Ground Zero. Much of Lower Manhattan (where I live) is within walking distance of Ground Zero -- Lower Manhattan is the tip of a small island. There has been, since 1970, a year before the World Trade Center (now Ground Zero) was opened, a fully functioning Mosque (The Majhid Center) 4 blocks away. It is still open today, and is a place of worship for Government employees and Financial Services workers. The project formally known as Cordoba House -- now known as simply "51 Park Place" -- is primarily to be office space and a culinary school. It will not be visible from Ground Zero, and for most people, it will be too far away to walk. These are the facts. Much respect.



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Yes! This is 'merica! We can't have people practicing their religion where they want! We can't show those people that we are tolerant of other beliefs cause this is 'merica! This is our country and we took it from the native 'mericans fair and square in order to make it FREE! Smallpox blankets FOR THE WIN! We'll be playing right into the terrorists hands if we build a Mosque at Ground Zero cause that's just what they want! Spread their lies! It takes a real ignorant yellow bellied coward to put a Mosque near such a tragic site and show that it is "time to move on" and "learn from a tragedy rather than repeat the same mistakes of non-inclusion and denial of cultural relativism." And we need to forget that it wasn't just 'mericans who died that day cause if we keep saying that it was a 'merican tragedy and not a tragedy for people around the world, we can make our point more 'merican and convince the people here at home, the true 'mericans, that our cause is just! I'm not sharing my freedoms of going to church without persecution with those terrorists! I was born free but those taliban taliwackers have to earn it! And they should start by respecting 'merica and feel FREE to build their Mosque someplace else! Cause we don't want to learn from this tragedy we want to use it and abuse it! Let's give all those people in the mid-east a good old fashioned 'merican ass kickin'! And let's start by booting that Mosque out of Ground Zero! Let's do this for 'MERICA! For our Freedom to not take their crap or tolerate anyone we don't want to! Cause this is 'merica! And I choose 'merica first cause I'm a patriot! I love this country! It would be un'merican to build that Mosque there as it goes against everything 'merica stands for! God Bless 'Merica!



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hahahahahaahahaha you stupid septic twats!



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Reply by: billybaker93
Date: 18-08-10
 
 


What Does that Mean lol HaHa you just showed your ignorance





does anyone here live in new york city?



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Reply by: Chrissy
Date: 12-08-10
 
 


Jeff Bruzzo from Project Shining City (he produced the video) does, as does Andy Sullivan from Blue Collar Corner.





"They will use our Constitution to their advantage" and yet the song argues for us to ignore our Constitution. Timothy McVeigh was a Christian, and responsible for the now second-worst act of terrorism on American soil. Do you suspect their would be any outrage over building a church to whatever denomination he belonged to in Oklahoma City? Of course not. The criminals responsible for 9/11 were certainly not practicing Islam, they were just using it as cover and self-justification. I could see the outrage if there was a, say, a building dedicated to the Taliban. But a mosque? Come on.



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Reply by: Beaumont
Date: 12-08-10
 
 


Yes, you come on.




Reply by: VictorFurious
Date: 11-08-10
 
 


a solid, cohesive argument.



Reply by: Reese
Date: 10-08-10
 
 


Please do some research on Islam and how it's really not a religion rather a political theosophy under the guise of religion. Islam doesn't even recognize our Constitution since they consider it "man made" rather than from the "profit Mohamed", only Shari'ah law rules under Islam. In Islamic culture, they build mosques as a sign of conquest, please do some real deep research on Imam Rauf and you very well may find that he's connected to terrorists.





NYC officials do the PC Crap Dance.
A major muslim Rule: Smile to their Faces, as you Curse them in your Hearts.
Do Not be Fooled, America. islam is an Evil culture and Way of Life, Not a Religion.
Learn the Truth about the UNCensored koran, and the Horrible Facts re mohammed.



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Reply by: Reese
Date: 09-08-10
 
 


SPOT ON!!





“STOP THE MOSQUE AT GROUND ZERO” by T.M. 7-27-10.
...
We’ve got “Freedom Of Religion”…., I understand….,
But Ground Zero is one location, where a Mosque shouldn’t stand…..!!!

(Chorus)
We’ve got to stop the Mosque at Ground Zero……,
From thumin’ its nose at every victim and hero……,
Thousands of Americans died in the attack……,
It’s a sacred place, and that’s a cold hard fact……!!!

There’s a painful memory in our minds……,
Our hearts keep breakin’ when we envision that tragic time.

(Chorus)

God help us retain the honor and trust…….,
For all the families…., who have suffered so damn much…!!!

Many Innocent Americans were killed
If we let them build it, can't you see...
They'll turn 9-11 to a mockery...!!!

(Chorus)

Copyright 2010 Trade Martin Music, Inc.
Innovation Digital Of America.



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A caller to a conservative radio talk show last week identified himself as a union construction supervisor for the city of New York. He stated that he and his fellow union members were outraged about the proposed mosque so near ground zero and implied that there might just be a few things that could be done to 'delay' the opening of the slap in the face to all America. Honestly, anyone who has ever had any kind of building project done knows that there all sorts of 'issues' which can effect the actual occupancy date. Materials can be delayed.............there can be weather problems.....heaven knows with the economy in the state is presently is in there can be strikes and other LONG lasting labor disputes..........then we have holidays and all sorts of things which might just delay the grand opening of this ediface until, say, maybe.............9/11/7001.

Come on People........we're smarter than they think we are. They expect tantrums and lawsuits that they will win as they will use our Constitution to their advantage. They will seek out wimpy liberal judges who have had their spines removed and will make the law up as they go along rather than interpret what is there. We, too, can play their game and we can be MORE patient than they ever dreamed of being.

Who knows, the superior building inspectors of the City of New York will be MOST dedicated to insuring the safety and secutity of this peaceful religion which will be celebrated in what once was the shadow of the symbol of prosperity in this country [before dedicated members of that faith aimed our aircraft at those buildings and cried ALLAH AKBAR, MURDERING thousands of innocent human beings]. They will be most vigilant when looking for even the SLIGHTEST hint of any code violation....past. present or future, after all, it is most important for these peaceful souls to be protected!

Let's not stop it................let's give them permission.......then make them wait FOREVER..............let's make sure it never grows above the level of the basement.



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Fantastic video. We must stant together and said "NO" to the Mosque at Ground Zero. We never forget the innocent lives were lost . Shame of Bloomberg!



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It's important to understand the purposeful symbolism of putting a mosque down at ground zero. If there was true heart and concern behind this mosque, they would choose another location. The last thing that needs to be seen and heard when people go to ground zero is the command to prayer and the domes of a mosque, no matter how tolerant, it's a huge slap in the face of those that were lost and lost on 9-11. Do your research and study the people behind the mosque, it's not as benevolent as it's been proclaimed to be.



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Terrific song and video! We need to stand together and say "No" to the Mosque at Ground Zero. How can we let them build where so many innocent lives were taken?



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Way to go Trade!!! We just watched the video and your absolutly right brother,

"We gotta stop the Mosque at Ground Zero"



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